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gfoot



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
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Location: Brighton, UK

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Nice challenge!
Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:38 pm View user's profile Send private message
bok
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Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Congratulations, gfoot, you're the first to solve that puzzle!
I'm really happy that you did, because Adum keeps telling me that my puzzles are too obscure for people to solve. You just proved him wrong. Thanks.

-- bok
Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:50 am View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
adum



Joined: 19 Apr 2007
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humph =)
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gfoot



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
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Location: Brighton, UK

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And that comes from the man who wrote "Find Me" - which I'd also assumed was bok's until I looked just now. Smile

I kind of agree, but obscurity is also a kind of depth, and I like puzzles that take a while to solve. It's also good to be in a position where not everybody solves every challenge, and better still, different people fail to solve different challenges.

Partly the reason I liked this one was that standard cryptanalysis techniques yield some results, but also a lot of red herrings.

Besides, not all of your challenges are obscure - e.g. "Say It" is about as explicit as you can get, without being solved by anyone! (I'm getting there...)
Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:50 am View user's profile Send private message
tails



Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Posts: 191
Location: Tokyo

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It's interesting that "State Your Position" is a crypto challenge and "Find Me" is not, while they look similar.
Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:04 am View user's profile Send private message
m!nus



Joined: 28 Jul 2007
Posts: 202
Location: Germany

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gfoot wrote:
I kind of agree, but obscurity is also a kind of depth, and I like puzzles that take a while to solve. It's also good to be in a position where not everybody solves every challenge, and better still, different people fail to solve different challenges.
I like the one where you have to work on some time too, but many of them are just too hard if you hardly have a clue about cryptology.
Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:59 pm View user's profile Send private message
gfoot



Joined: 05 Sep 2007
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That's true, but then, I'm no expert on it and I'm not doing too badly. I read a casual book on the history of cryptography, and remembered a few things, but nothing too deep. From what I can see, there are plenty of websites that take you through the basics at least.

Most things are just a matter of being creative; it's also not just a matter of applying standard techniques, you often need to use your brain, watching out for patterns even if the text is not decoded yet, and working out how to adjust your approach until the message is fully decrypted.

Many of the crypto challenges are not using traditional techniques anyway, so keep an open mind.

Bear in mind that it's not just the crypto challenges that require some knowledge - I had no idea how to debug Java applets until some of the challenges required me to learn, and I still have no idea how to hack a swf file, which is currently my main blocker - I'm going to have to learn a lot more about swf file structure in order to progress, and I'm looking forward to finding time.

It's also been nice having a prompt to better explore other things... learning is always good. I guess all of the following are things I've either learned, or got better at, specifically to solve challenges on this site:

* Scilab - recap on wav file loading, FFT, graphs
* Python - found out how to load wav files, perform FFT, read/write png files, perform web requests, ... loads of other things
* Java - format of compiled class files, debugging compiled class files without source
* Flash - file format, approximate disassembly

That's just computer languages - on top of that, there's topics like speech recognition and fibonacci numbers, which you really need to read up on in order to solve the challenges.

If you add in the other areas of the site, you also learn about general ways to improve algorithms, making them scale better, and sometimes about specific known algorithms, although the authors try to present at least novel takes on existing problems, so it's not just a matter of implementing a standard algorithm (in most cases).

I've found all the problems on this site rewarding to solve (or fail to solve), you just need to see it as a challenge, and a prompt to expand your knowledge, which, as I said, is always a good thing.
Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:54 pm View user's profile Send private message
ratlover32



Joined: 28 Jun 2008
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Can you please give me a hint?
Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:48 am View user's profile Send private message
miroe



Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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I solved it now, but I've got no idea why this should be the solution... Just guessed it. Confused Even now that I know the solution, I cannot find much evidence for it. Maybe I miss something?

Bok, if you or someone else could to explain me why this should be the solution, I would hope for a PM. Many thanks in advance!
Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:02 pm View user's profile Send private message
dangermouse



Joined: 05 Jun 2011
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Location: deep space computing AG

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After trying all possible ciphers (e.g it's not an Enigma cipher), i noticed that people living in the US have an advantage on this challenge Wink

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MalNivek



Joined: 28 Nov 2011
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dangermouse wrote:
After trying all possible ciphers (e.g it's not an Enigma cipher), i noticed that people living in the US have an advantage on this challenge Wink


Thank you for the hints!

I read your hint and then I got an idea when I view the challenge page again Smile
Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:01 am View user's profile Send private message
MatRush



Joined: 13 May 2011
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Location: China

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dangermouse wrote:
After trying all possible ciphers (e.g it's not an Enigma cipher), i noticed that people living in the US have an advantage on this challenge Wink


This is a big hint haha.
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