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megabreit
Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 141
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Is this challenge related to the normal use of that abacus?
E.g. is this a base 10 abacus? Or do you expect people
to "redefine" the meaning of the beads?
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:56 pm |
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rmplpmpl
Joined: 26 Oct 2008 Posts: 113 Location: Germany |
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I am asking myself the same question, "normal" use obviously not, cause that answer is not accepted.
I don't get the connection to good old Eniac, neither.
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Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:39 pm |
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MerickOWA
Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 182 Location: HkRkoz al KuwaiT 2019 HaCkEr 101 |
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I didn't get the connection to Eniac either. I don't think its meant as a hint to this challenge. I think its possibly just a historical reference.
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Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:10 am |
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Belriel
Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Posts: 16
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The biggest number I could think of to be displayed with this 10x10 abacus is a 16 digit number starting with 3 and ending with 5 ... but that's not the correct solution . Is there really a way to display even bigger numbers?
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:49 pm |
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MerickOWA
Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 182 Location: HkRkoz al KuwaiT 2019 HaCkEr 101 |
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thats too big, so your method of using the abacus is too complicated.
Its been suggested that, if you use the abacus in a very complicated way, you could represent very very large numbers. The answer to this problem doesn't require any terribly complicated method of using, however its not exactly the easiest method either.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:39 am |
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Belriel
Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Posts: 16
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But the question is
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What is the biggest number that can be displayed using this abacus (without destroying or rearranging it)? |
You can use the Chinese abacus with base 16, the two upper beads stand for 5 each, the lower 5 represent 1 each, so 5+5+5=16-1. This one could be used with the left five as the ones and the right five as 6 each, so 5*6+5*1=36-1, then you can represent 36^10-1 as the biggest number. Complicated, true, but without destroying or rearranging.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:47 pm |
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fridolin
Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 16
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I also applied various versions of the abacus, also the chinese one and some variants - but no right solution. Considering the heading "Eniac" didn't effect anything as eniac had also a ten decimal digit computing unit.
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Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:28 pm |
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MerickOWA
Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 182 Location: HkRkoz al KuwaiT 2019 HaCkEr 101 |
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The Chinese system is not being used for this challenge. Perhaps the challenge is flawed in that way, but the answer to this challenge doesn't use a complicated system for the beads. All beads have the same "meaning". Hopefully that isn't too much of a giveaway.
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Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:28 pm |
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higgs
Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Posts: 4
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Ugh I could represent 2^91 -1 with that... Rather big number I'd say... roughly 27 digits in decimal. But it won't take it
If I use the beads at bits, where (as with a Compact Disk) two beads touching represents a 0 and a space represents a 1 (or you could take chance vs. not change or a different interpretation...), you'd have 9 binary digits per row. There being 10 rows, you'd have 9*10 digits which makes the highest number the one where all digits are 1's, 2^91 -1.
But it doesn't like my idea or something
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Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:07 pm |
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CoreEvil

Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 18
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Ok, here is my calculation, I believe it's mathematically accurate, and that it represents the biggest possible number. Please let me know if there is anything wrong with my reasoning:
1) Every row is a 15 slot, base 3 string, which gives you 3^15 possibilities. Each row starts with the string AAAAA-AAAAA-AAAAA (where 'A' represents an empty slot), and keeps increasing until it reaches CCCCC-CCCCC-CCCCC.The default setup when you load the challenge is AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC
2) Since you need to count only the combinations where you start (from the right) with 5 Cs followed by 5 Bs (with As allowed anywhere in between) You have a total of 3003 possible combination for each row, this can be verified programmatically by iterating over the 3^15 combinations and counting the ones that follow this pattern.
3) Since you have 10 of these rows, the biggest number should be 3003^10 which equals 59642154303295182755378537795549049
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Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:39 pm |
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laz0r

Joined: 04 Feb 2010 Posts: 290 Location: Within the depths of Unix |
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I think this challenge should be reworded or removed due to the evident incorrectness of the accepted solution!
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Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:46 pm |
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nighthalk
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 41
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do the colors matter? what if all the beads were blue? with the "simplest form possible" im assuming it meens theres no fancy space measuring or trinary state stuff going on (meaning 11 states per row)
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Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:21 am |
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Dr. Halo
Joined: 27 Oct 2008 Posts: 6 Location: Munich |
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As MerickOWA stated a year ago, the colors have no meaning in this challenge.
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Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:20 pm |
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polarlemniscate
Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 6
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Think about number bases - it's really very simple. I suspect the ENIAC title is something to do with this. What number base did ENIAC work in?
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Thu May 13, 2010 9:51 pm |
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nask00s
Joined: 13 Jan 2011 Posts: 1
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I think that eniac ran in base 10 but I'm not pretty sure
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Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:24 pm |
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